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 Post subject: Manson Family.
PostPosted: 10 Sep 2008, 14:49 
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I've been reading Helter Skelter and am going to write a bit abotu it here.

I'm merely collecting my thoughts. I think it counts as theology because Manson thought he was Man's Son, or a reincarnation of Christ. He is still gaining followers.


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 Post subject: Re: Manson Family.
PostPosted: 10 Sep 2008, 14:57 
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Lyrics to a Manson song. Chillingly sung by his girls.

Always is always forever
Always is always forever
As long as one is one
Inside yourself for your father
All is none all is none all is one
It's time we put our love behind you
The illusion has been just a dream
The valley of death and I'll find you
Now is when on a sunshine beam
So bring all the young perfection
For there us shall surely be
No clothing, tears, or hunger
You can see you can see you can be


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 Post subject: Re: Manson Family.
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And I didn't.

But Manson and his ladies are up for parole again.

Thoughts?

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delusional whack job!

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 Post subject: Re: Manson Family.
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Thought bubble:

Manson is the same sort of individual as Rasputin.


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 Post subject: Re: Manson Family.
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Very likely.

Was Rasputin a failed artist?

There are two things about Manson that struck me. One was how society failed him and helped create him, and the other was how he really did fill a religious need for his family.

Please note: What I am about to say is not an excuse for what he did, but it is some reasons that he did it.

By the time Manson started his family, he had already spent more than half his life in prison. He was born to a teenager and never knew his biological father. His mother once sold him for a pitcher of beer, and his uncle retrieved him. His mother went to jail for robbing a gas station, and he lived with his aunt and uncle til she got out, then lived with her until she gave him up to a 'boy's school'. When he ran away from there, she refused to take him back.

He then started burgling to pay rent on an apartment. After living like this for a while, he was finally caught and sent to a reform school, where he says he was brutalized. Being short and slim for his age, it's not unbelievable he was a target.

He was 13 years old by this point. He had never yet learned to read.

He was transferred to higher security prisons, until he got the hint and suddenly became a model prisoner. He then won his parole at 20.

He married, had a son, and was jailed again. He had resorted to car theft to support his family. He's in jail again at 22.

He was paroled five years later, the same year his divorce was finalized. By his own account he loved his wife and had been happy with her.

This time, he found women to support him. He acted as a pimp. Two years later, he was again in jail.

He was 26.

His second wife divorced him while he was in jail, again.

At his release hearing, at the age of 32, he asked not to be released from prison, because he did not know how to function outside, and that prison was his real home. He had spent more than half his life in prison already.

After his release, he began to collect his family. He earned his living by playing some guitar, panhandling, and collecting women. He set himself up as a guru, and preached. He connected with the Beach Boys and they recorded one of his songs. But his artistic career went no where.

Two years later, the murders began.

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 Post subject: Re: Manson Family.
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well then I guess if he knew prison was his real home, he ensured that he would go back "home" ...I just find it hard to believe that he is up for parole yk? or is the other gals up for parole?

what an upbringing, his mom? WOW.

sidenote: my fil actually spent time in the same bighouse as manson, he never saw him, only heard he lived in "cage" seperate from everyone else. and before anyone wigs out, he was in for white collar crime.

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 Post subject: Re: Manson Family.
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Yes, he is up for parole, just like the women.

I don't think he wants out.

I do feel bad for him. Not that it excuses his choices, but wow. It's not easy not to be warped by that sort of life.

Makes me respect those who aren't more.

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 Post subject: Re: Manson Family.
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I hope they never let any of them out.


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 Post subject: Re: Manson Family.
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Bobby Beausoleil is the only one I'd argue for.

But that's more because people who have committed similar crimes have served smaller sentences.

The girls (now women) and Manson? Patty Krenwinkel seems to actually have remorse. The rest are playing.


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I now live in the town his aunt and uncle lived in.


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 Post subject: Re: Manson Family.
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Sadie is dead.

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 Post subject: Re: Manson Family.
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DMB wrote:
I hope they never let any of them out.


It's pretty much been stated that since he feels no remorse he's not getting out. Let's face it if they did someone would kill him for the fame. It's a shame he went all psycho. He could have been a great sociologist.


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 Post subject: Re: Manson Family.
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Bobby BeauSoleil could probably be let out. He was involved only in the Hinman murder, and has been in prison for a very long time.

I mean, practically speaking, there is no reason to keep them longer than any other murderer. If other people get out in 2-7 years, why keep BeauSoleil in for 40+?

Manson should be kept in. But as stated above, Manson never wanted to be let out in the 60's. He told the board prison was the only world he knew and he couldn't make it in the outside. :(

Patty Krenwinkel never struck me as being quite as evil as the others. Same with Tex Watson. Leslie Van Houten on the other hand... I think she would have gotten into jail with no pushing from anyone. Other people disagree, but the psych reports on her from the time...

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 Post subject: Re: Manson Family.
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What has always stuck out to me is that Manson never really killed anyone. He was a conspirator.


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