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PostPosted: 03 Nov 2007, 07:43 
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and other assorted creatures. I can't think of the right term for them right now (cryptozoo...something-ish?)
So many people say they've seen these creatures, as well as believing that fairies & dragons & the like exist. I don't believe they exist in the physical plain.

Damn, it's getting busy @ work so that's all I gots time for. What are your thoughts?




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Cryptozoology ...

We can talk about them ...

Now, dragons are easy to pass away as explainations for dinosaur fossils, but the live ones?

Trick of the light? Tiny surviving population?


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Well, my mom felt vindicated in her belief that dragons were dinosaurs when it came out that they were warm blooded (breathing out mist= breathing fire).

I did a paper on the existence on Nessie as a child, and I always wondered about the age of the sightings--- The legends and sightings (including St. Columba) goe back 1500+ years. Back through a time where such things were shunned, not praised.

To me, while I find animals that fall under cryptozoology 'unlikely', I think they fall into a realm of 'I can't be sure'. I mean, giant squid were 'tall tales' until they started being caught in modern times...


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I also meant to write about the anthropomorphism of nature, collective consciousness, urban myths/legends & how they relate/contribute to things like this but I kept getting sidetracked & I couldn't get my thoughts in order.




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I always assumed the "dragon/dinosaur" connexion too but the thing is...didn't the dinosaurs die off before humans arose? And as for fossils, I don't think there was a whole lot of paleo...thingyism going on. Even if some proto-humans (or whatever) happened across a perfectly preserved fossil, how often was something like that likely to occur? Enough times to have formed the nearly world-wide concept of dragons?




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?--- it wouldn't have to be 'near perfect' to have done it. If people knew the size of a horse thigh bone, and found one 20X bigger... well, that'd mean a 20x bigger horse, right?

The fact that the dinosaur legends are not uniform would uphold this idea, a little...

I also remember, when studying bestiaries, that people thoughtt here were equal animals under the sea as on land--- so the existance of narwhales meant there had to be unicorns...

While I would think it is possible to have a dinosaur or two survive, In My Opinion, they'd have to have exceptional life spans to be able to do so and not reproduce. So, I feelit is highly improbable.

Where are the recent bones, after all, that St. George and his ilk killed? There are unicorn horns in museums (I've seen them in the Cloisters in NYC), but there are generally carved ivory or narwhale horns.


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I know unicorns exist, I've seen 'em. Not the horsey-looking ones, the goat ones.





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I don't know that you'd need a 'whole' skeleton to do the work of mythological explaination.

Look to elephant/mastadon/mamoth skulls leading cyclopian mythos ...

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Tao of Pooh wrote:
I know unicorns exist, I've seen 'em. Not the horsey-looking ones, the goat ones.





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you do mean man made ones, right?


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jess wrote:
Tao of Pooh wrote:
I know unicorns exist, I've seen 'em. Not the horsey-looking ones, the goat ones.





Myth is the public dream, and dream is the private myth.


you do mean man made ones, right?

Yup.




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I've read where the Chinese have been digging up Dinosaur bones for centuries and that is where they came up with their dragons. Perhaps other cultures did this as well.


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Jedi Mind Trick wrote:
I've read where the Chinese have been digging up Dinosaur bones for centuries and that is where they came up with their dragons. Perhaps other cultures did this as well.


Absolutely. In fact, 'powdered dragon bones' still are part of a traditional Chinese apothacaries' wares. (It's how early Homo erectus was discovered in China - a European doctor looking at Chinese medicine in the late 1800's found a molar with the Y-5 cusp pattern in a box of unground 'dragon bones' :roll: )

And, it makes sense in places like the Gobi desert and areas of North America where fossils of large creatures that don't exist today (or then) were eroding out of cliff walls and such. There -must- be an explaination as to why we have evidence for these creatures that don't exist ...


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But wasn't what the Chinese called "dragon bones" later determined to be ancient human bones?




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Tao of Pooh wrote:
But wasn't what the Chinese called "dragon bones" later determined to be ancient human bones?


Some of them. The Chinese weren't too particular, it seems. Anything fossilized could count as 'dragon bones'.


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Hey ...

In taking a minute to come back to this, I hit on the Society for Scientific Explanation, who, in a Science blurb from 1982 get self-described as "heretical science".

Cryptozoology is one of the things they take up, as well as other scientific 'anomalies' ...

They've got some articles and abstracts online ...


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